The Sigma 65mm F2 DG DN is for the photographer who wants a focal length that falls squarely between 50mm and 85mm. MFT ISO100 at F0.7 gives 2 stops overexposure, compared to FF ISO100 at F1.4. You lack the basic understanding of the reasons behind equivalence conversion but you keep acting like you are teaching me, haha. You have a good imagination. Lol - Humble?? 2. ;-). I know ! Then you don't know what you are talking about really. FF is for big boys. As long as you define the focus point, S-AF is still very quick, even with the 20mm/1.7. I don't think that it has anything to do with sensor size, but it's a Panasonic thing. In fact the one found in the D850 is still the best but it still cannot possibly know which highlight areas you are willing to sacrifice. The S1 and S1R will ship pre-programmed with the optical characteristics of each native L-mount lens and then calculate AF based on minute focus changes done up to 480 times each second. supersteelman, maybe you got this, but my comment was directed at s1oth1ovechunk, who seemed to deny that there is a difference between cameras in this regard. The EVF should be set up so it helps you assess the content of the frame and the composition.Exposure should solely determined based on the histogram and warning features. the lens is not capable. its blasted with yellow lights and the camera did nothing to lessen the effect. "- Finally. DOF is just made up by fstop and the subject framing. Retina display users might find it troublesome to see the differences due to pixel density. @User9362470513Perhaps you are right. I love this mode. There are a lot of photo/video cameras that have found a role as B-cameras on professional productions or A-camera for amateur and independent productions. It is much more than DOF. Most of us are Sony shooters in some way since Sony makes most of the sensors. And you are making no logical sense again. The S1R wasn’t my first full-frame mirrorless camera. The Panasonic SR1 has been grabbing some headlines lately. I thought that 4k was much to big to stream from the web? Sure, some manufacturers even stopped any development years ago and just go on reshuffling old sensors and adding and removing features to achieve what they consider good and proper features/price ratios. Both have an in-body image stabilisation (IBIS) system that shifts the sensor to compensate for camera shake. If you squeeze the same amount of light into a smaller sensor, you will get the same DoF. You can find out more about John on his website and follow his adventures on YouTube. S1R has a native ISO range of 100 - 25600 which can be boosted to 50-51200 and it can save files in RAW format which gives you a wider room for post processing. NOTHING ELSE. Portrait: An … all the weird colors are from the 24-105. bokeh is very harsh. I remember when moving from iso 100 to 400 or 800 were real trade offs :-). Check out the winners of the 2019 DPReview Awards! - I NEVER claimed that scene lighting affects DOF. Same ISO numbers on both FF and MFT would get you the same exposure at the same F-stop, but different noise levels. "I don't consider F numbers meaningless. "The 85F1.8 (at F1.8) would provide 4 times more light and therefore DoF will be much shallower"- Again, DOF has nothing to do with the quantity of photons hitting the sensor. It'll be interesting to see if any improvements in firmware can make a difference or if it's just "baked" into the sensor. I shoot FF at base ISO rather often. The weight of the camera added to the size of the body (1700 grams) lends it’s self to giving a very stable shooting platform. Too much for some, inconsequential for others. Inspecting the S1R’s raw files after converting them to .DNG files shows that sensor generates wonderfully clean and detailed images with rich, faithful colour between ISO 100 and ISO 800. I just called you out for not understanding properly WHY we apply a crop factor to the aperture. Those random modes don't actually increase the dynamic range.They matter when shooting compressed formats instead of RAW.If you want more you have to bracket multiple RAWs together. So have a peek and let us know what you think. Judging by the comments, I don't think I'm alone. Of course, that doesnât mean GR III is a better camera overallâit has a multitude of shortcomings over the S1R, beginning with the fact that it canât zoom (wide converter notwithstanding). if i am interested in a camera, i judge it for myself, not what a website and naysaying forum comentators and dedicated fan boys state, oh, i forgot to mention the "dedicated" clueless wonders also, who don't have a clue about the camera or its workings, who deliberately try to sway folks from buying the camera, for some unknown stupid reasons, I find most of the time that my experience with a camera is quite different from DPR and often their sample galleries are shockingly different from when I use the camera myself The number of times I've been misled by online "reviews" is staggering, I've now taken a different approach: I go to online reviews to just get some rough guidelines, then I test things myself, for as long as it takes to feel comfortable I'm not missing something important because "I read online that..." the number of "instant experts" on the net is just bordering on crazy, nowadays, and don't get me started on utube "tutorial" videos... Why make the butcher shot monochrome? Revenant, cameras can handle white balance differently but raw files are basically all made with the same technology. The S1R to my mind is primarily aimed at stills photographers. It is better to use low-light examples because then you are using ISO values that are actually achievable by both systems and not limited by the different base ISO capabilities.Again, MFT can't do everything FF does even if there were equivalent lenses. FF beats it in terms of optimal IQ at base ISO. A couple of pictures have been taken with -1 EV and then lightened up with Adobe Camera Raw. As we continue to test Nikon's update of its multimedia full-framer, we've added more of our findings so far on image quality, dynamic range and video quality. I seriously doubt those production figures. With modern lenses (like the PL12-60mm) it is instantaneous. So, you are not getting the same image and you've failed.Goodbye. So there is no need for a ISO 25 mode in this example unless your example forbids the MFT camera from using a HIGHER shutter speed of 1/1000 for some reason.Also the MFT camera @ISO 100 and f0.7 gives the same amount of noise as the FF camera @ISO 100 and f1.4.Because the FF sensor has a 4 times bigger area but the MFT lens delivers also four times as much light per area. That 50/1.4 is really special. it did nothing. "I NEVER claimed that scene lighting affects DOF. Other than that, though: have you used the Lumix user interface? What’s the best camera for around $2000? Focal Length (35mm equivalent): 24 - 105mm Focal Length (actual): 24 - 105mm You must be joking. There is an advantage to the lens basically sitting on the image sensor. Check out the winners of the 2020 DPReview Awards! I have uploaded both Panasonic’s RW2 file and the native JPEG. Different sensors perform differently. Your reasoning is like any other equivalence denier's, like it doesn't matter how they get the right exposure and correct image brightness is their only goal. They're *all* too expensive in that range. This camera is more about stills. Doing it your way only gets you the same exposure and framing, with everything else being different. They will make:150 S1R cameras per month600 S1 cameras per month120 50mm f/1.4 lenses120 70-200mm f/4.0 lenses20 24-105mm f/4.0 lensesSource: https://www.l-rumors.com/this-is-how-many-panasonic-s-cameras-and-lenses-will-be-produced-per-month-s1-production-four-times-the-s1r/, Not sure about that can squeeze another +100 shadows and +2 exp out of the Sony sensor over what the Panasonic had managed here. F1.4 on MFT would get only a quarter of the photons gathered by FF at F1.4. It's all "canvas" aka. I am very taken with the Panasonic lenses. They are visibly better than the S1's but not on par with the competition. Thanks, John Size of lenses come into play too obviouslyFuji will well in that ratio I think too with compact lenses and small bodies, I think the volume to resolution ratio needs to be a thing.It needs a catchy name.Golden ratio is taken...Mighty Mouse ratio might have trademark issues.Maybe call it the R/V value or R/V ratio.Add the RV value to the points score in the DP review rating :). As 2019 winds down, we're highlighting some of our standout products of the year. I think its the lens which is not a good performer, thats causing the issue. Downloads Colour Profile Jpegs ISO Samples (RAW & […] ISO25 is just as theoretical as ISO1600. But wouldn't you agree that e.g. Dunja Djudjic is a writer and photographer from Novi Sad, Serbia. #23 is at ISO 320 and is dramatically cleaner. Seriously. theres detail, but not fine details." Because you "fixed" this overexposure in your example where you invented ISO 25 to cure the overexposure. Check out this link for more about shooting slow shutter speeds. They will likely be producing that many each day, at least. Like all of these cameras aren't using the same sensor technology... weird how nikon is able to take the 12mp sony sensor d3s and they tweaked it to be one of the better high iso cameras. (But it looks like a fine camera ... just like all of the other fine cameras.). Colours are affected by more than RAW processing though. I think that finer detail could be lost due to this NR in many situations. and if you cant see whats wrong with the images, thats on you. I said FF is not about DoF. The S1/R might be this camera, but these samples with lots of EV compensations followed by Adobe counter-processings do not show this.A related question: Why apply EV +1 on a white horse in front of white snow? Of course MFT is a compromise but you seriously gotta abandon the wrong idea that more light = shallow DOF. Isnt like 90s of 4 k the equivalent to a full netflix movie at 1080p? What i do like about this cam though is that it's about the size and heft for me. The shots have no detail, everything is underexposed and the shadows meet the definition for a blackhole. I rarely use continuous shooting but when I do, the hit rate is 90% or higher. given the extremely low production numbers on these cameras, i'd be concerned about how serious Panasonic really is about ff... is this data for real? I expect most photographers are the same. Filed Under: Reviews Tagged With: panasonic, Panasonic Lumix 24 - 105mm S, Panasonic Lumix S - Pro 50mm f1.4, Panasonic S1R. But, unlike you, I understand what you are trying to say here. In this mode, eight consecutive images are automatically shot while shifting the sensor using the Body I.S. the horse image looks like theres smearing. If you are looking for a full review – check this article: https://www.diyphotography.net/my-adventures-and-experiences-with-the-panasonic-s1r-mirrorless-camera-over-the-past-three-months/. This applies only to Jpeg images, and the RAW preview. So, yes, you are right, using a narrower aperture won't necessarily lead to using the exact equivalent ISO. It's a niche (and pricey) product to be sure, but so far we find it to be well-designed and capable of outstanding results. View our sample gallery to see how a bit of shift can change a photo or introduce creative effects. Wait a miiiinute! The S1R has a cool mode that shows you the movment and how much is being corrected. 6. Although to be honest, you can make anything look like anything if you know what you're doing, as long as you have the RAW. It's physics. Colours that are not to one's taste can be tweaked. When they arrive, we will find they weigh more or less the same as enthusiast cameras have weighed for a long time. You can see more of his spectacular work on his website say hi Facebook and Instagram, Copyright © DIYPhotography 2006 - 2020 | About | Contact | Advertise | Write for DIYP | Full Disclosure | Privacy Policy, My adventures and experiences with the Panasonic S1R mirrorless camera over the past three months, Panasonic to announce 2 new full frame mirrorless cameras and 3 L mount lenses, Panasonic kicks off new Lumix S series with two full frame mirrorless cameras, « Nikon to make “some announcements” about the Nikon D6 DSLR next week, How to optimise your night time street photography », Video Samples (normal speed + slow motion), https://www.diyphotography.net/my-adventures-and-experiences-with-the-panasonic-s1r-mirrorless-camera-over-the-past-three-months/, Check out this link for more about shooting slow shutter speeds, Download the sample 45mm L-mount Sigma images at the top of this page, Planning to travel with a drone? "- And I never said that you did, you drunk idiot..."Yes you did. While they were out shooting their video about Sigma's new lenses, Chris and Jordan filled up a memory card with photos from the 35mm F2 DG DN using Panasonic bodies. You don't need to spend a fortune to buy a camera that's designed for videography. The 65mm T2 completes Vazen's set of anamorphic lenses for the Micro Four Thirds system. Vivid: Brilliant effect with high saturation and contrast. Dear DPreview, could I suggest keeping the similar photos together? - I know exactly how equivalency works. Because FF ISO100 = MFT ISO25 in terms of SNR (noise). Wondering, who's to blame. We thought it would be a good idea to share some raw footage and some raw stills from the camera. We're glad you asked. Panasonic said they would be releasing this update, and it's arrived. A shot taken whilst testing the S1R’s monochrome picture style and high ISO performance. Panasonic S1R: Workflow for Multi-Shot High-Res Mode Images in Adobe Camera Raw This page looks at a workflow in Adobe Camera Raw for Panasonic S1R Multi-Shot High-Res mode raw files. I wonder how the Sigma cameras would fair in this ratio race. Are you suggesting, here, that photography is about content, not specs ?! "You pretend that this was never the case. And I'm sure that a little work in your image editor of choice would let you make the S1R's photos look pretty much however you want them to. I need to do some calculations. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing under $1000 and recommended the best. 2019 saw plenty of new cameras released, some of which were very important - and seriously impressive. 4. As said on my video blog, I have had this camera about a month at the time of writing and it did take me a while to get used to. And that's how Speedboosters (focal reducers) work.FF is about utilizing more light to produce higher quality images. To love this camera, I would have to be a boat anchor enthusiast. Looks fine, until you get to high ISO's. The cruelty is in how they're raised, many "free range" included. "- Emphasis on the "for you". Normally you setup both cameras on a tripod and use lenses that give equivalent DOF in your test scene. Shouldn't be any banding issues, because there aren't any af sensors on the CMOS. its not part of the image, its completely yellow. But, for you, larger sensors are about shallower DoF exclusively. Expected from a clueless troll.There is NO need to make the MFT ISO 25, aka. Of course camera companies do white balance differently. You can see her work on Flickr, Behance and her Facebook page. And, if you shoot raw and Jpeg images simultaneously, you have the option to ‘uncrop’ the raw files. This is a sample gallery for a camera and I'd like to get an idea how well the camera performs in different situations, not what one can recover with Adobe Camera Raw after the camera settings have been overridden. The image was originally much darker, but the large dynamic range allowed me to return a good amount of detail to the shadowed areas during raw processing. For single shots, it is mostly accurate. My English is not good enough. Any guesses on which camera would score the highest? "- What a stupid thing to say really. if I shoot an image in a wedding at this specific venue I know, the lights there are all incandescent. L.Monochrome: Black-and-white effect with rich gradation and crisp black accents. Sometimes the colors don't look natural, sometimes there is too much noise even at ISO 500, etc. I was very hopeful for Panasonic as the new FF ML system in the market. Take a look. It's way more than I ever need at an affordable $2500 S1 for me. One small difference is how the cameras produce RAW files, with the S1R using Panasonic’s proprietary RW2 format while the SL2 uses the … We took a look at the field and selected the Panasonic S1H and GH5 as the best cameras for serious videographers. And if you try gathering the same amount of photons on MFT camera, you would fail more often than not. Still, its shooting buffer manages 37 Raw+JPG, 42 Raw, or 54 JPGs at the top 9.5fps capture rate. For example:FF 50mm F1.4 1/250 ISO100 = MFT 25mm F0.7 1/250 ISO25 - good luck with that.You cannot win this. If that doesn't put DFD into professional-level performance, nothing ever will. Yongnuo, makers of lenses, cameras and other photo accessories, has filed a patent for a modular mirrorless camera system. If we do not voice our likes and opinions, well then we all get whatever crap the engineers and marketers put out. the sensor doesnt make the final image. Filters affect the light gathering but not the DOF. They are just meant to generate traffic, and in that they are successful. I really hope you have improved this for these cameras. This year, despite the disruption, plenty of amazing cameras, lenses, accessories and other products came through our doors. Besides it is not real overexposure anyway since your imaginative sensor has a ISO of 25 (or lower). I love these cameras, I know them inside out and I know just how hard to push them in terms of dynamic range and contrast. This gallery is kind of death kiss for S1R...I don't see a single picture motivating me even to think about addition of S1R to my arsenal. Because the FF sensor has a 4 times bigger area but the MFT lens delivers also four times as much light per area. I don't use C-AF with my GX7, because it doesn't work very well. The app includes automatic image transfer, gallery creation, editing tools and more. That's pretty surprisingâyou'd think the S1R would absolutely smoke the GR III, but to my eye it's quite the opposite. (Thank you Panasonic) The simple answer is it looks better. It seems many are lost on what they can personally achieve from a camera. Hacking Photography - one Picture at a time, August 31, 2019 by Dave Kai-Piper 1 Comment. But some of these RAW conversions look kind of like my own photos do when I get a little carried away with the saturation slider in Lightroom. These things are second. They are all processed by DPR and shown in this album. I've never had an experience like what you describe, even with the GX7 (pre-DFD) and 20mm/f1.7 (the slowest lens in the M4/3 system). You are stuck with this ignorant mindset of comparing the same numbers, which leads to producing different results. MIOPS has announced Flex, a new smart camera gadget designed to make it easy and simple to capture lightning strikes, action images, holy grail timelapse videos and much more. … Depending on which system you're in and what your needs are, they might just be the compact, well-priced and impressively sharp little primes you've been looking for. You are ascribing beliefs to me I do not hold. You haven't read what the Panasonic folk have been saying. Photokina has announced via a press release that after 70 years of shows in Cologne, Germany, it will be indefinitely suspended due to 'decreases in the imaging market’ that have ‘force[d] a hard cut.’. its not able to resolve the detail the 47mp sensor can give. Plus, 4K 60/50p 4:2:2 10-bit is now supported over HDMI. Fujifilm has announced a special version of its 100MP GFX 100 for infrared imaging. On the other hand, there's still a good chance that this is just a Sony sensor with some Pany-specific tweaks (just like the Nikon sensors made by Sony that Nikon claims are not made by Sony), in which case we already know both the colors and the noise, because we've seen it all before. I like that we have more options and competition. I may as well get a GH5 and put up with the noise. @sh10453Cool story but in reality, when you fund a morally objectionable practice you are culpable. Sony's new Visual Story app for iOS promises event and wedding photographers a variety of useful tools, designed to simplify their workflow and enhance their business. The strength of the Bayer filter has an effect too. I am considering selling my 5D IV for S1. It's available in Canon EF, Fuji X, Leica M, M42, MFT, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts and the first units are expected to ship in January 2021. Because EDR and more relevantly, SNR will be superior on an ADC level and directly correlate with native ISO. ), just a serious and simple working tool for the right price (let's say $1600). No price is given at this time, but the adapter is set to be available by the end of the year. Remember you can download all the different frame rates and resolutions using the link at the top of the page. At 14.1EV, the S1R’s (Landscape) dynamic ran… At the same, I found the files a little soft, but then I worked out how to work with them and that changed everything. Basically you are just repeating what I said to debunk all your clueless claims. smearing is when its supposed to show the fine strands of hair but the lens isnt able to resolve the fine detail so it smears the fine detail. RAW+JPEG capture is supported and users can choose between fine and standard quality settings for the latter. I didnt dismiss the camera or company. It's a serious compromise. Unless your monitor is color-calibrated, it's hard to know what you are seeing vs. what the rest of us are seeing. The shutter speed is the only thing that should stay the same.When you are actually/physically comparing two cameras side by side, you don't set the same ISO or even equivalent ISO. The new camera will be available for special order in early 2021. the 50 looks fine. @ecka84"Why would anyone do that on purpose? Can't be that hard to understand for you. 7. The 24-105 looks like a very nice lens to me. Well, maybe you know something about "equivalency" (whatever it is), but you don't know $#!T about equivalence. But, the overall value of a camera goes up if it is a more capable tool for both photo and video. Hot on the heels of the S5 announcement, Panasonic has promised to release firmware by the end of 2020 that will bring the autofocus of its existing S-series cameras up to the standards of the newer model, and as a nice bonus, gives the S1R the ability to record 5K video. As for noise, look at image 53/103 in this album, zoomed in 100%. It brings the advantage of a much bigger and heavier body and much bigger and heavier lenses. Filters affect light intensity, not the amount of it. Nevertheless, I like it when someone is happy with an older camera. The Panasonic Lumix S1R is an excellent low-light performer and a great full-frame camera for video recording. Take a closer look. Adam owns a production company that specializes in corporate marketing and brand strategy. The S1R's sensor is higher resolution, and its files are bigger. Ruekon: I do agree that the back of the white horse is maybe a bit overexposed in small parts. Let me guess... Sony user? I am not a fan of super-light cameras, or heavy ones, I just like cameras that balance well. That title goes to my little Sony a7 II, which has been a fantastic camera when I … It is all about the crop aka. The new DJI Mavic Mini 2 includes several notable improvements over the original Mavic Mini, including 4K video, Raw photo capability, and DJI's robust OcuSync 2.0 transmission system. Panasonic is a Japanese monster. All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998 - 2020 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved. it will pretty much neutralize the yellow in that deli meat image. If some images look good, that's an acceptable monitor. - Well, of course it won't have ANY noise levels, because lenses do not produce noise. Planning to treat yourself to a new full-frame camera this holiday season? Yes, I know all that, and I'm sure that the OP knows it too. The software used to process the RAW file and monitor used to view the images are more important than any camera colour science mumbo jumbo. This whole ISO thing is a huge mess. Combining a 37MP full-frame sensor, minimalist controls and Lightroom Mobile built in, it's a refreshing – if a bit quirky – take on the smartphone-meets-camera concept. Combined with the incredible inbuilt stabilization, this camera is one of the best to shoot low-speed hand-held images with. I dont know, but the images look weird. Or #51 (girls in front of cathetral) that was not corrected?I would expect a modern camera to treat more of such cases automatically, also by employing things like Active D-Lighting. Panasonic Lumix S1R, … That thing (GRIII) is horrible. You can't make your camera produce more or less DoF by doing so. It seemed then and it seems now like very creative objections, especially given the lack of data. try it. The S1R sees a bump in resolution as it will be able to record internal 5K (30/25/24p) 4:2:0 10-bit LongGOP at 200Mbps. It also features nearly 150 wonderful images from past Olympics games. It's equivalence, not "equivalency". it would not lose detail whatsoever. I don't need a 85F1.8 FF lens to get the same thing you get with your 42.5F1.8 on MFT. Therefore, all calculations that we are doing here are not perfectly in sync with actual cameras. The lens? Eck...as someone who shoots with 1", aps-c, and FF, your analysis is full of BS. @StopTheGASNo. No need to explain it to me. and you can clearly see the 50 is able to. "- That's because you're not very smart? The rear camera (or cameras) on an iPhone has all the latest bells and whistles, but how do you use them to capture a selfie or record a video of yourself? ecka84You are absolutely wrong.I can make a full frame sensor with incredibly small pixels that objectively gathers way less light than even the smallest sensors and it won't affect DOF.And no, a lens' light gathering capability is not only determined by the front element but by the size of the actual bottleneck (aperture) and the transmission of the elements used. and its not sharp. Now, as the year winds down, we're highlighting some of our standout products of the year. Never. Lightroom and PS now support these files and I would hate to be forced to go back to those applications. Which you said was wrong"- A MFT sensor with a base ISO of 25 will produce less noise than the FF one in this example. Do we really need to worry about the colors and the image quality anymore? never does any smearing. I mean, look at the photosets and decide for yourself which look better. Hmm. Panasonic GM5 wins on size and weight, and the IQ is fine.F. Must be embarrassing correcting a non-native speaker if you have no clue about your own language either. I mean it's like FF ISO800. Day to day, I use a mix of the GFX 50R and the Fujifilm X-Pro2. As far as I can remember, I have never been cruel to animals, but I still like a prime rib steak at my favorite Outback stake-house. The LX100 is completely disastrous. Weight and balance are super. Actually, (may I call you actually? Less chimping! The big question would be… Would I buy one and would it replace with the GFX 50R? At $3700, the only way that this camera is a good deal is if it came with Chris Niccols to take photographs for you on demand. Period.And that just doesn't affect DOF. Itâs no coinsidence that majority of dedicated video cameras offer articulating screens. If I owned this camera I would call it the hammer of Thor because only Thor could pick it up. Is simply not possible. 1600 whereas the f0.7 MFT can stay at ISO 400 to achieve a certain shutter speed. I said FF is not about DoF. There are zero doubts that this camera can take a few knocks. Period.And that just doesn't affect DOF. Also, you keep crying because I used the word "equivalency".Look it up, it is synonymous with "equivalence". As a video camera, I am pretty impressed, but if you were looking at the full-frame Lumix range, then the S1R is not going to be the right option when stacked up against the S1H. A clowder of Cats chomping cheerfully on clam chowder. In our latest buying guide we've selected some cameras that might be a bit older but still offer a lot of bang for the buck. I’m a firm believer in making the aspect ratio decision at the shooting stage. These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both speed and focus for capturing fast action and offer professional-level image quality. I never claimed otherwise. Nonetheless, a camera like this will probably be shooting RAW, not JPEG, so the colors to use are a choice you make in PP. You just realize that you've bought a damn point&shoot camera system for $3000 or whatever amount they cost these days. However, that mechanism also enables a High Resolution mode that allows the cameras to create larger images than their 24Mp and 47Mp sensors normally capture. I like the pictures. Most people don't give a damn about image quality, so the only thing different to their eyes is DoF. Have a look at our initial sample gallery taken on a full-frame Sony body. the hyper expensive 42.5 lenses from Panasonic and Olympus. Dave Kai Piper: Photographer, Writer & Rider. To give you a little background. but as of early impressions, I am not impressed. "- You pretend that this was never the case. :(. is well aware of the dynamic range in a picture.When I once will switch to a camera with EVF, I would like to solve more exposure issues beforehand, e.g. I speak of static subjects, AFS, of AFC better I do not speak, it does not work, it does not work badly, it does not work, hunting game hunting, you never know where the focus is, if you shoot a burst many fall in the area of respiration , completely blurry (if someone does not believe this, look at the video review of the LX100II), at first I came to think that my unit was defective. Lens: Panasonic Lumix 24 – 105mm S When you reach ISO 1600, luminance noise is traced, but is only obvious when images are inspected very closely at 100%. oem tweak theirs significantly. ;-). They all are using the same technology sensor and most are from the same manufacturer. Which is the sensor size and the front opening of the lens. You will also be able to find JPEGS shot in the different colour profiles that the camera ships with, such as Cinelike D and Flat modes which are pretty cool. That's one thing that has stood out looking at the various samples posted. Is full frame 4k to much for the next 5 years if I want to makde 20 minuite videos and post them on the web? would require changing the exposure settings to get the same amount of light, if you don't want to change the image. Current cameras are beyond sufficient with regards to IQ and so potential buyers are looking for handling and features that offer practicality vs versatility. I am not processing any RAW images either. Learn how to read please. Oh, and it's a lot of fun too. After seeing the sample images - both the first round images and the new RAW conversions - I feel that Panasonic has lost to the competition on image quality. And equivalence is made for comparing different systems properly. picture #1 (two horses) looks overexposed, not speaking of loss of detail in white areas?Auto exposure of the S1R alone, without +1 EV, might have done a better job. Because the files won't open in LR/PS. Best cameras on the market right now, period. and it has amazing AWB. Interesting idea. Fujifilm's 3.00 firmware update adds a new Pixel Shift Mult-Shot mode to its GFX 100 camera that works alongside a new Pixel Shift Combiner program to output 400MP Raw images made up from 16 individual still images. It actually looks and feels a little smaller in person and itâs not too much bigger than a G9. Ole Henrik Skjelstad is a Norwegian math teacher and landscape photographer. I’m sorry if this is a FAQ but every time I try to open a S1R raw file all I see is best described as digital noise. You just keep arguing for the sake of arguing, like a fool.Sensor size matters, because larger sensors gather more light. Panasonic had the S1R here at the photo pro expo near Cincinnati today. And how is that different from my example? That's true of every gallery on DPReview, ever. No kidding. Panasonic had the S1R here at the photo pro expo near Cincinnati today. Or through common sense, which I keep forgetting about is not common. That way, compared to FF, you are making an image out of a quarter of the light, with 2 stops more noise and 2 stops deeper DoF. Same DoF, same noise..."You don't even read your own comments, apparently. Do you just want it for some unexplained reasons? I even imported the files into other programs such as On1’s Photo RAW program and it applies the crop upon import. That's just you being a mentally ill tr0ll. ISO25 is for equalizing the noise at least in theory. I heard Sony paid for trolls, but this is too easy to spot them. But #14 (wall) and #43 (cathetral)? Besides, most MFT cameras have base ISOs of 200. As I mentioned before, this camera is more about sharing the files and the footage directly from the camera & not a hard set review. I would gladly prefer to have cheaper and more specialized camera options available. Highlight protection came to my mind in picture #65 (narrow street). They hold true decades after decades. I do really like this camera, it’s a camera that is very much a slow burner for me. It is just a poor rendering of the actual scene. They would need to produce about 320 24-105mm lenses per month. This would result in loss of fine detail and smearing with Nikon DSLRs as well. Don't rely on the compressed RAW conversion in the viewfinder. Never. impressive specs...now lets see the real McCoy ;-). smaller outer dimensions of the sensor. @photomedium Really? New cameras don't automatically make old ones worse, do they? Just stop the BS and admit that you were wrong. All your "tricks" (room lights, filters, etc.) I have had Canon 5Ds and Nikon D750 a Sony A7R3 and never shot a second of video with them. Sigma's new primes promise very good performance and light weight, when paired with L-mount and Sony E-mount mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. But I absolutely don't agree that you always have to use a fixed shutter speed when comparing. you can even put it in AWB 001 mode which means it will lower yellow. For example, a mirrorless 5DsR (or even higher resolution camera) with flip-out touch LCD, improved CDAF and no DPAF, 3fps, limited or no video features, proper controls, no consumer mode dials or picture styles (etc. DPReview TV: Panasonic S1R vs. Nikon Z7 vs. Sony a7R III, DPReview TV: Panasonic S1R hands-on preview in Barcelona, DPReview TV: 10 cool things you may have missed about the Panasonic S1 and S1R Series. The best cameras for under $1000 should have good ergonomics and controls, great image quality and be capture high-quality video. DoF is just a side effect of the higher amount of light used to produce an image. It has nothing to do with ISO or shutter speed either. Lens: Panasonic Lumix S – Pro 50mm f1.4 )most of my shots are on my iPhone, but I do shoot a x100f. And they're not black holes; there's a big shadow lift in the photo of the shopkeeper, which works nicely. I like this one, its just a bit too much. Highlight recovery and shadow lifting seem good in the "processed" images. "- See, for you, "LARGER SENSORS" are about shallower DoF exclusively, not "EQUIVALENCE". why? The event, which will show off a new 'DN' lens for mirrorless camera systems, is set to take place at 7am ET (4am PT) on December 1. Before we get to that, check out some clips from the camera. Why can't you understand that? Read our full review to find out how it performs. @Ruekon: cameras meter to neutral grey (18 % black or whatever it is) and when a white horse in front of a white snow is metered to neutral grey itâs not a white horse and white snow anymore â white would appear grey. It just has one big issue, the view in the EVF during AF is pulsating, though the final result is nothing but bad. Every single sensor on every single camera is so darn good nowdays, and we all just shoot raw and edit to taste anyway. Just with sensor size. All raw files from Sony sensors look the same, that makes Canon raw colors stand out in contrast to its ageing sensor tech. "... morally objectionable practice ..."?? It costs $600 MORE than a D850 ;-). Panasonic LUMIX S1H — v.2.2 Nov 2020 Firmware Update Improved AF performance. Overall, everything works just as it should. Seems like a full movie at 4k is so huge, I am not sure how to stream it? They are not here to make up numbers, they are playing hardball. You are mentally ill to call me equivalence denier when I not once said something to imply that. Invariance. You have no other choice than to increase the shutter speed when you can't set the ISO any lower. It dawned on me a while ago: they are not supposed to. "There is NO need to make the MFT ISO 25" - Then you cannot reproduce the image properly even in theory. But what about people doing video as well and want to step up from m43 or simply want to have a professional body like the D850 but with good EVF? Not sure if that applies to PanaLeica. - I don't care. So it is even worse. Very few shots in the gallery take advantage of narrow DOF that is FF. Makes no difference. I like this world you live in where there is some plausible physical reason for your weird observations. The overall colour contrast looks quite flat. Like the S1, the S1R records raw files in Panasonic’s proprietary RW2.RAW file format. It is an amazing time to be into photography. All they care about is a tiny little snap, or how much tiny little snaps per second they can get. "- Yes you did. I think they're excellent, and the shadows are being used very purposefully. colors and the sharpness. And that's not equivalence. Like most cameras released nowadays, they look good enough for the photographer to be the weakest link in terms of image quality. Photographer and YouTuber Todd Dominey has shared a video that details the history of Kodak Aerochrome film, a film stock he says has 'an origin story unlike any other.'. He fell in love with photography in 2013 when he got a camera as a birthday present. The LCD display is nice but could have been a better design. You have a certain amount of light and you have an image that you need to reproduce using that light and there's only one way to do it properly (if it's even possible) and the DoF will follow inevitably, regardless of the sensor size.The sensor size is what matters. Since we are doing that, I thought I would share some personal thoughts about the camera too. I am wondering what the advantage over m4/3 this camera brings to the table? Panasonic Japan shared the monthly production rate for their new gear. But that’s just how it works. Forget. Your confusion comes from not understanding the difference between the amount of light and light intensity. John Aldred is based in Scotland and photographs people in the wild and animals in the studio. This weird idea that everyone who takes photos wants to shot videos. Lots of repetition as well but divided so it looks like the same image. two stops lower because you'd adjust shutter speed when you deal with a faster lens instead of choosing impossible ISO values. Every DPR gallery is weird. I use On1 Photo Raw as my main editing application and would like the ability to open and process these files. That's ludicrous. The only pictures that motivate me to consider a camera are pictures of the camera itself. third would be, lets just make sure the images are not awful. And your equivalence example is wrong. By turning the light you are only affecting the light intensity. Same DoF, same noise, same everything, because it would gather the same amount of light. These are the drone regulations around the world, A wildlife photographer’s collection of hilarious animal images, Here are 12 ND filters compared for color and sharpness, Seven composition techniques you can learn from “The Queen’s Gambit”, The pro panel speeds up your editing in photoshop, Comedy Wildlife Photography Awards is open for entries, here are some hilarious animal photos to inspire you, Seven tricks to help you smile naturally and look great in photos, A mighty Lamborghini in these epic photos is actually a model car shot by the pool, Canon called out for not crediting a photographer on social media. You do not understand equivalence and its purpose. The Panasonic Lumix S1R's High Resolution Mode combines 8 shots into a 187 megapixel image to create a super high-resolution photo. I just made clear WHY you apply the crop factor to DOF since you don't understand the actual reason. This was a winter day with blue sky. We've also had the chance to add a whole lot of Raw conversions, which should give a better idea of image quality compared to the out-of-camera JPEGs. But it does matter HOW you gather that same amount of light. I referred to your wrong understanding which would wrongfully imply that. There seems to be quite a lot of room to work with noise reduction without sacrificing details or colours. This is at ISO 500. ), (Also: Weird that they shot at -1ev. so back to the a7III, and then the L-alliance.but the images are not impressing me for the stills I may shoot with it.so now im waiting for sony again. It's not just about raw information gathering, it's also about how the camera processes that information and how it presents it to an image editor. by switching from matrix metering to highlight weighted metering in critical cases. This is where it shows the actual difference. Itâs hard to put any faith in them. "- And I never said that you did, you drunk idiot. I rarely need any metering on mirrorless because I always see the histogram and just turn a wheel until it is perfect for the lighting situation.Highlight metering modes aren't suddenly better on mirrorless cameras. The hallmark of the S1R is its full-frame 47.3MP MOS sensor, which is paired with a Venus Engine, to produce detailed, high dynamic range stills along with video recording up to 4K60p. Download the samples here. I'd like to have a camera with reasonable auto modes (like D850 or D500 in my case) and good EVF allowing me to do reasonable adjustments before I take a photo -- histogram appears really helpful, besides maybe indication of clipped highlights and zebras for sharpness. Is this intentionally or was the camera setting just by accident?I was hoping that with an EVF one would better see the correct exposure before taking the picture? There are chunky dials and large easy to find buttons for all the ‘go-to’ functions such as ISO and focus modes. Because I want them to succeed. Natural: Soft effect with low contrast. sensor size. I wish they can do 5 stop recovery test to see if there any banding issue affecting Sony, Nikon and Canon. The only other complaint was due to the fact I am a left eye shooter. My ILC is light years away from the FZ1000 LX100 AF, but the most worrying thing is that my RX10 (25 single contrast AF points) works better too. Yes, we're using a beta version of ACR. DPR staff's aversion to noise reduction in post does not do the camera any favor. That's why I want to live in your world. This is called disproval by counter example. DFD sucks, and the colors remind me of those of my LX100, they are so "strange", I speak of raw of course. Getting used to the Panasonic did take some time. MFT can't beat FF at lower noise. The new Laowa 15mm F4.5 Shift lens lets you go wide with perspective control. When will you support the new Panasonic Lumix S1/S1R .rw2 files? Dynamic and color range is bigger. - No, a 85 f3.6 lens on full frame won't neccessarily have the same noise levels as a 42,5mm f1.8 on MFT. When it comes to S1R - the top stills camera - the images have to be top notch with no complaint. We thought it would be a good idea to share some raw footage and some raw stills from the camera. The horse image was overexposed with EV +1. Buy the one you like. Quantity of photons = amount of light. Then you basically use automatic shutter speed and set the ISO manually to benchmark the noise levels at different values. Sounds like an absolute bargain. "- Now you contradict yourself. If you dont like these colors then you probably just dont like the edits more than anything. I can only talk about my experience, if the subject is slightly darker than the background he completely ignores it. I think Sony a7 series would rate high.Square inch volume to lines per inch resolution? I bet I can find some setting to alter to stop this though. This camera has one major problem that can not be solved with a firmware upgrade. Download the sample 45mm L-mount Sigma images at the top of this page. The shots are ok usually, maybe one or two pretty good ones (all subject to taste), I do wish you could hire a a range of talented photographers, rather than reviewers, so we could just get a hint of the possibilities (I am available;). The photographer? The subject distance is the same BUT the focal length is a cropped 42,5mm FL image circle. As a lifelong Panasonic, Technics, JVC (part of what was Matsushita) user of many of their products, not just cameras, I would agree. The GR will give you comparable if not better sharpness across the frame than the majority of FF options; This is from 6 years of use in conjunction with FF 28mm lenses that I have been using considerably longer. Not once have I "seen" someone with such a bad reading comprehension. I'm sure Japanese will define 8K as new high-end standard and 4K as bare minimum by then. "the horse image looks like theres smearing. One of the most exciting features on the Panasonic S1R is the sensor shift mode to capture ultra-high resolution 187 megapixel images with full RGB data per pixel. It’s a bit of a quirky camera, but its specifications are no joke: 47 megapixels, 9 FPS, 4K 60p video… and $3700, body only. You can select a colour effect here. The adapter will bring full autofocus, aperture control and EXIF data transfer capabilities to Pentax K-mount lenses when used on select Sony E-mount camera systems. Ergonomics are good for a first-generation camera too. My nose kept moving the AF point as I was trying to shoot as it touched the LCD. The 24-105 lens looks decent. It happened to me with FZ1000 and it happens even more with LX100. Standard: standard Panasonic colour and contrast rendering. "NO. @ Troll - wow, 8 comments in less than an hour on how bad this camera is. From what I've heard, the latest firmware updates on the G9 and GH5 in particular have been what's brought DFD into genuinely reliable territory... and then only when using Panasonic's post-GH4 lenses designed specifically to support DFD. Six aspect ratio settings are available: 3:2 (the default), 4:3, 16:9, 1:1, 65:24 and 2:1, the latter two being panorama formats In this ongoing series chronicling my use of the Panasonic S1 and S1R, I wanted to do a dedicated post to tethered shooting. It is about depth of field alone.And this aspect has nothing to do with superior light gathering of the sensor. Try the same with photos in Sony/Nikon album and you'll see what I mean. Like the S1, Panasonic S1R has more aspect ratio settings than most cameras. FF is not about the DoF. I overexpose normally. The price threw me off a bit but I was still interested. Weird bokeh though. If you're looking for a high-quality camera, you don't need to spend a ton of cash, nor do you need to buy the latest and greatest new product on the market. The menus are detailed with a great deal of thought put into placement and content. Since we are doing that, I thought I would share some personal thoughts about the camera too. The sales won't even cover the cost of launch event. Maybe very few people have actually picked the cameras up? You can't (re)produce the same image out of a much smaller amount of light. and btw, very narrow vision to think they are all using the same sensor technology. The framing is the combination of focal-length (WITH consideration of the crop-in) and distance. Silkypix 8 Beta still isn’t finalised so I can’t wait to start playing with these RAW files … "Also the MFT camera @ISO 100 and f0.7 gives the same amount of noise as the FF camera @ISO 100 and f1.4. Looks good to me I can see buying one of the lower MP versions S1. You are the one who didn't understand what I said. The images at the bottom of this article have been edited and graded using the Infinite Colour Panel. I just don't have that much free time. Also you seem to constantly forget that this whole argument isn't about noise, IQ or other camera settings. works very well with women portraits. it makes very little physical sense. Also I don't consider F numbers meaningless. The cruelty of the practice is done more justice by the colour shot. The images are quite flexible in the editing process. The strength of the GRs image quality has to do with the actual pairing of the sensor with the lens, and itâs a really damn good lens. Filmed at 100 ISO at f4, Filmed on the Panasonic S1R at 180 fps FHD 150mbs 4:2:0 8 Bit "I know exactly how equivalency works" - Really? "Quantity of photons = amount of light. It'll be interesting to see how it fares in the DPR Exposure Latitude Tests. DJI's second-generation Pocket camera includes a long list of useful upgrades including a wider, faster lens, a larger sensor, more resolution, improved audio and an optional handle that significantly improves control and supports live streaming. 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